b) Any player with an active cloaking device is removed from Local. They cannot be seen there, and in turn cannot see anyone else there themselves.
Should the player be decloaked they return to the Local channel as normal.

Three Step plan

I disagree. The main effect should be 'always scared', as you never know if a system you jump into already has a cloaker. I think this will lead to alot more conflict in EVE in general, as people who don't take care when moving around will quickly be caught out.

Another facet of the change is that it rebalances the concept that cloaked people can have an effect on a system simply by being present in it. This is especially evident in the case of stealth bombers camping jumpbridges, who can choose to when to engage, do so already aligned out, and are very hard to trap unless they make a mistake.
By removing these bombers from local and stopping them from seeing whats coming, it adds more opportunities for them to be surprised.

TLDR - REMOVE LOCAL - ALL ELSE IS NON-RELEVANT

Middle ground or not...it suits me just fine...and im quite sure the bulk of the masses wouldn't have much to complain about short of sheer mass paranoia. Everyone has the same chance as everyone else...cloaking device only makes you invisible to the naked eye at that point...not deticble by scanners.

You've not spent much time in WHS have you?

That is a mass contradiction of terms.


Carebears wouldn't survive in such an environment in the first place.


This isn't carebears online...this is EVE Online...an envionment that requires you to defend yourself and be alert/ever viligent.



0.0 is the true wild west....making it a bit more of a challenge to defend and not predictable would be a good thing would it not?

It's not a hassel...I call it survival....get backup...a defense fleet...people to help protect and gaurd..watch.

All to often everyone runs off in a massive fleet train and leave behind their home base wide open to attack.

Local is practicually the "I-win" button...so long as you know that person is there...you can deny them the target/satisifaction of getting their objective.

I've already given you an answer for your fear of turning Null Sec further into a desert.... make High Sec much more dangerous or much less profitable. But you don't seem to like that, even High Sec Incursions seems to be something sacred to you, that shouldn't be changed.

Epic Fail.

Removnig Local from 0.0 wouldn't be that bad...just makes it more challenging to watch your back. Even then...every bloody attempt to change cloaking mechancis ends up being ignored or rejected...so I'm likely wasting my time to be quiet honest.

So yeah I'm done with this thread...enjoy slugging it out with the dead horse.

I, too, want to be forced to load all the portraits for everyone in the constellation every time I decloak.

And Zim talking about High Sec Incursions being some critical training ground for group flying, completely ignores that players have been doing that fine in EVE for several years prior to PvE Raids in the form of Incursions.

ALL risk free PvEing needs a massive nerf, buffing Null anomalies while leaving Local and continuing Incursions in High Sec is hardly the answer.

So the more people we coordinate with is now going to be the measuring stick of how much ISK we should make? Seems largely irrelevant to me.

No I suppose there is some risk if your both careless enough to do it AFK and honest enough not to be botting. The danger of Null sec is only in traveling via gates, a risk virtually eliminated by being part of one of the big alliances and staying in home territory.

It would become as safe as high sec sadly.

because it counters itself by making the pilot incapable of actually doing anything.

So yeah... those probes would effectively make wormholes nearly as safe as high sec.